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Out between the ideas of right-doing and wrong-doing there is a field.

I'll meet you there -

-Rumi

Every day, there are more and more Craigs List posts seeking “artists” for everything from auto graphics to comic books to corporate logo designs. More people are finding themselves in need of some form of illustrative service.

But what they’re NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.

To those who are “seeking artists”, let me ask you; How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? …none?

More than likely, you don’t know any. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be posting on craigslist to find them.

And this is not really a surprise.

In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators. There are eleven times as many certified mechanics. There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.

So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free? Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?

Would you offer a neurosurgeon the “opportunity” to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor? (Maybe you could offer him “a few bucks” for “materials”. What a deal!)

Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?

If you answered “yes” to ANY of the above, you’re obviously insane. If you answered “no”, then kudos to you for living in the real world.

But then tell me… why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?

Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen. As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person. In short, it makes you look like a twit.

A few things you need to know;

1. It is not a “great opportunity” for an artist to have his work seen on your car/’zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a “great opportunity” for YOU to have their work there.

2. It is not clever to seek a “student” or “beginner” in an attempt to get work for free. It’s ignorant and insulting. They may be “students”, but that does not mean they don’t deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a “student” once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.

3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it’s one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their “portfolio”. They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It’s not compensation. It’s their right, and it’s a given.

4. Stop thinking that you’re giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.

5. Students DO need “experience”. But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the “experience” they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother’s house when they were seventeen?

If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received. The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.

6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.) Some will ask you to “submit work for consideration”. They may even be posing as some sort of “contest”. These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the “contest”, or be “chosen” for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own. You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or “spec”, work. It’s risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely. For more information on this subject, please visit [link].

So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are “spec” gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them. Say NO to free art.

And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free…please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you’re accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.

If you agree with the above important information, please pass it along. The more people know, the faster we can correct this problem.
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Bravo. I'm glad you posted this.

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gneee three journals, same title :dead:

good to know I'm really glad you posted this.

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Whoa! Thank you very much! It seems no matter how much this is told, to artists, clients, etc. you still wind up with these sorts of "ads" for jobs. I had never before heard of the "spec" thing before. I am very glad that you have posted this! :love:

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This is absolutely correct. I applied to a gamming company for illustration work and they turned me down. They said it was because my "style didn't fit with the style of work they were using." A friend of mine knows the art director and talked to them about my work with out saying that he knew me. (I never asked him to do this. He did this all on his own and then told me about it. ) The Art Director of this company said something to the effect of "Yeah, her art is awesome! But she's too good, We'd have to PAY her." O_O The Art Director was taking advantage of students and publishing their work for free. I had to laugh. OF COURSE you have to PAY ME. This is my bread and butter dumb ass!

There are other things that people do as well to artists. Some companies don't pay their artists on time. Actually quite a few art directors don't pay their artists on time. And if you fight them "Too much" for your well deserved pay they have a tendency to tell all the other art directors (they DO all know eachother for the most part) and then it gets difficult for you to find work. I lucked out with my mentor. He pays me on time EVERY time.

The wages for Artists'/illustrators also hasn't changed in 10-15 years. The going rate for a page of artwork for say a comic book is $100 dollars. O_O

I've often felt that there should be some sort of "artist's union" to protect the interests of all artists who wish to be in the illustration business, and those who already are.

This is a TRADE. There are people who try to make a living off this trade. Those people are very short changed. I don't think I could live off of $100 dollars a page and support a family at the same time.

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Thats as bad as the retards who asked my sister to illustrate playing cards for them... 'Oh they'd get her the money later"....never...bloody... showed.
What they think we just -regurgitate- this stuff? Heck... quilters make tons of money...florists too...even house painters... why should we be any different! Its a skill! *rant rant*

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